Deepa Rao: Sustainability, AI & Governance - a converging future

In the final part of our conversation with Deepa Rao, we look at the end-game of digital sustainability: accountability. If you think your 100-page sustainability report is gathering dust on a shelf, think again. The AI is reading it, and it's looking for contradictions.

As companies turn to Artificial Intelligence to solve their "data drowning" problem, a new set of risks is emerging. Deepa calls it a "Deep Irony." We are using carbon-intensive technology to solve carbon problems.

In the final part of our conversation, Ashley John moves beyond the "carbon tunnel vision" that traps many sustainability professionals. While measuring emissions is vital, Ashley argues that true digital sustainability must account for the social impact: the people behind the screens, the accessibility of information, and the ethics of the tools we use. Beyond "carbon myopia" For many, "sustainability" is synonymous with "carbon footprint." But as Ashley points out, focusing solely on emissions is a form of tunnel vision. "We’re dealing with people," Ashley says. "It’s about the social aspects of sustainability; engaging with communities in a way where they can actually read and understand what’s on your website." To make this "doing the right thing" accessible to everyone, Ashley has committed to a "freemium" model for his suite of tools. "A lot of companies are priced out of doing the right thing. With EcoPigs , you can monitor one website for free, forever." A toolkit for radical transparency Ashley hasn't just stopped at website emissions. He has developed an entire ecosystem of tools designed to strip away the "fluff" and get to the truth: Noissme.com: A carbon accounting tool (emission spelt backwards) that simplifies Scope 1, 2, and 3 reporting. "I found other tools inundated users with irrelevant questions about refrigerant gases or bioenergy. If you're a creative agency in a shared office, you don't need that. Noisssme strips away the noise." Swynx: A tool for developers that looks at "code health." It identifies "dead code" and "bloat" that waste energy, while remaining completely air-gapped for security. Scope 3 Clarity: Ashley is pushing for a focus on Scope 3, the indirect emissions that make up 90% of a company’s impact, rather than just the "tip of the iceberg" Scope 1 and 2 metrics that companies use to look green. Oynk SE: the social enterprise Perhaps the most exciting development is the launch of Oynk SE (Social Enterprise) . In Part 2, we discussed the JEDI (Justice, Equality, Diversity, and Inclusion) requirements for B Corp. One of those requirements is that websites must be tested by people with real living disabilities. In partnership with Tom Cliff of Cafe Track, Ashley is creating a network of neurodivergent and disabled testers to provide manual audits of websites. "We’re going to give these people real money. It’s life-changing for people who have been ignored or sidelined. They get to provide qualified feedback: 'I struggled to press tab here' or 'it took too long to contact you.' It creates a circular economy of meaningful work and accessible design." Dirty by design: challenging the status quo Ashley is now taking his findings to the page in his upcoming book, Dirty by Design , currently being released chapter-by-chapter on Substack. The book is an antagonist's look at the "assumptions" that have governed digital sustainability for the last decade. Ashley is openly challenging the established giants like the Green Web Foundation, arguing that their methods are based on outdated data and "best guesses." "I’m not being malicious," Ashley clarifies. "I’m saying: let’s raise the bar. If you’ve had ten years to fix your model and I’ve hammered what you’ve done in 18 months, did you really care? Or was it just more subconscious greenwashing?" The bottom line Ashley’s mission is clear: move away from "tick-box" sustainability and toward a defensible, science-based, and human-centric framework. By making tools free, empowering the disabled community, and demanding accuracy over assumptions, he is rewriting the rules of the digital road. As Ashley puts it: "Everything is there. It’s transparent. If you want to argue with me about the metrics, come to the website and let’s talk. My method is correct because it’s based on fact, not fiction." This concludes our three-part series on digital sustainability. For more insights into marketing with integrity, subscribe to Sustainability Marketing Survival Conversations.

In Part 1 , Ashley John , founder of Oynk and EcoPigs , pulled back the curtain on the flaws of standard digital carbon calculators. But as our conversation continued, it became clear that digital sustainability isn't just about carbon, it’s about a broader sense of corporate honesty. If your website is the "front door" to your business, what happens when the welcome mat is a lie? Can we trust you? Ashley has coined a powerful term for the modern marketer: the Integrity Proxy . It’s a simple litmus test for brand authenticity. "If someone wants to know about you, they go to your website first because it’s non-committal," Ashley explains. "If you claim to care about the planet and people, but your website has terrible emissions and fails basic accessibility standards, how can you be trusted?" For Ashley, a website that ignores these factors isn't just a technical failure; it’s a breach of brand promise. To combat this, Oynk builds with "100% clarity." Every site includes a transparent report and a live "pig badge" that users can click to see the actual methodology and real-time data. "How can we trust anything else you tell us if your own website isn't even accurate?" Beyond carbon: the rise of JEDI The conversation in sustainability is rapidly shifting toward Scope 3 reporting and social impact. Ashley notes that B Corp’s V2 model now includes a critical section called JEDI (Justice, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion). This isn't just a "nice to have" anymore; it’s a requirement. For new B Corps, accessibility is now baked into the certification process. This shift aligns perfectly with Ashley’s new framework for digital excellence: PEER. The Four Pillars of PEER: Performance: Speed isn't just for UX; every second of load time can cost you 7% of your traffic. Emissions: Real-time tracking of the digital footprint. Experience: Ensuring the site works for everyone, regardless of ability. Ranking: High-performing, low-emission sites naturally rank better on Google. "When I talked to people about 'sustainability,' they didn't always care," Ashley admits. "But when I talk about a website that ranks higher, loads in under a second, and eliminates bounce rates? Now they're listening." The high bar of accessibility One of the most challenging aspects of the JEDI metrics is the Flesch-Kincaid reading level . To reach the gold standard (AAA), website content should be readable by someone at grade 10 or under. This requires a radical simplification of language that many brands find painful. Ashley shares a recent example: "We had to change 'make a positive change' to 'make a real change.' Why? Because 'positive' has too many syllables. We even struggled with the word 'business' vs 'firm.' It’s a constant back-and-forth to ensure no one is excluded." This level of detail extends to colour ratios. To meet AAA standards, you need a 7:1 contrast ratio . "I'm eating my own dog food here," Ashley laughs. "I had to rework my own Oynk branding because my yellow and white combo didn't meet the ratio. I can't tell clients to do it if I won't do it myself." A meaningful digital future For Ashley, this mission is personal. As someone with autism and ADHD, he understands how exclusionary a poorly designed digital space can be. "There are people who don't have the capacity to navigate a 'boring' or overly complex site. Are we excluding them from the workplace? From reading the company intranet? From understanding an email?" By combining EcoPigs' live emissions tracking with the JEDI accessibility framework, Ashley is building more than just websites; he's building a structure for digital integrity. In an era of "subconscious greenwashing," the only way forward is through radical, data-backed transparency. Digital sustainability is no longer just about the environment; it’s about ensuring the digital world is open, honest, and accessible to everyone.